On a serious note, looking at the UK situation from outside, it is clear that your government has for far too long grown fat and increasingly authoritarian. So question is, will the UK citizens rise above apathy and convenience, or be cattle branded...
I completely disagree with you on this, on several points.
IDs are already needed, as they should be, to work and rent property in this country. It should also be necessary for accessing services and benefits. Digital ID just makes this more efficient and stops wasting valuable resources.
Your 1950s parallel does not work in a society which is internet connected and beset by criminals who depend on anonymity.
Your China parallel does not work. China is a totalitarian state, what they do with DID bears no relevance to what Britain would do.
Estonia and Malta have DID, and your predictions have not come true there. Why not?
The alternative future to your comment on society being internet connected is that by centralising all our data it can become more vulnerable to being leaked and/or hacked.
At least when it is siloed across multiple systems a breach may only leak some of the data rather than all of it.
Why does China bear no relevance, do you think that could not happen here?
Estonia and Malta have DID yes absolutely, but is it possible it has been rolled out across nations who are at different stages of acceptance? Perhaps these nations were more willing, whereas a Globalist plan would need a 'slow boiling of the frog' so to speak for other nations.
Once it is completely in place and accepted everywhere, what is to stop the dial being slowly turned up on restrictions, a death by a thousand cuts?
Thanks again Jim, hope you are having a good evening.
Thanks for replying Aq. There’s no need to “centralise all our data”. All that’s needed is a database keyed on your identity which lists entitlements - can you work in the UK, rent property in the UK, drive a lorry in the UK, and so forth. Then organisations have an app relevant to what they do, e.g. Immigration Control’s app lets them know whether you can work or rent in the UK, and that’s it. It doesn’t tell them what political party you belong to, or what you ate for breakfast.
If that particular list was comprised, it would only matter if the criminals could crack the algorithm that hooks your device key (or a checksum generated from your face), and even then they’re not learning anything of significance about you.
As for mission creep, Parliament would be able to add additional entitlements to that list, and determine which organisations are authorised to check which entitlements. Personally I don’t feel threatened by this at all, but it seems there’s a heck of a lot of Chicken Lickens out there who do!
If it works as a gateway to multiple services offering different areas of information that would be interesting. If say, the Digital ID was a frontend linked to multiple encrypted databases that could do API calls for retrieval but not actually store any information on it. Perhaps if the ID itself contained keys that could be used in real-time?
I am against big Government at heart, and will oppose this at a fundamental level regardless of how it is implemented. But there are better ways than others to actually implement it if it does happen.
We saw yesterday though that AWS went down, taking down credit institutions and large corporations for hours. When the Government contracts a private company to implement a cloud-based solution it will be on AWS, Azure, or GCP, all are vulnerable to going down... The possibility therefore exists for ID to go down whether accidentally, or maliciously, if it is digitised. And it would be vulnerable to attacks on the basis of it existing...
Any information through a Government portal would be vulnerable too. I base this on the salary offered for a cybersecurity professional for the UK Government, £30,000 starting, up to £75K for a senior. This is very low compared to the private sector and as they are not paying the best salaries they will not attract the best talent for building and maintaining secure infrastructure.
There's a lot of risks associated overall even when viewing the issue from a none-philosophical lense. I do not trust it to be done right.
Can we keep the thread to DID please? Again, it is a simple list of IDs and what they’re entitled to, and organisations are granted permission to make specific checks. It has nothing to do with portals.
If the infrastructure gets whammed, hey we fall back to passports/ driving licenses until it’s up again. No panic needed.
I was discussing how it would likely work, we will not agree on DID and it's outcomes but I appreciate nonetheless your insight and it is very welcome.
2.7M signatures as of now. More to come.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194
Cool story bro, needs more dragons and shiet tho.
On a serious note, looking at the UK situation from outside, it is clear that your government has for far too long grown fat and increasingly authoritarian. So question is, will the UK citizens rise above apathy and convenience, or be cattle branded...
When the petition fails people will march, and when the march fails...
I completely disagree with you on this, on several points.
IDs are already needed, as they should be, to work and rent property in this country. It should also be necessary for accessing services and benefits. Digital ID just makes this more efficient and stops wasting valuable resources.
Your 1950s parallel does not work in a society which is internet connected and beset by criminals who depend on anonymity.
Your China parallel does not work. China is a totalitarian state, what they do with DID bears no relevance to what Britain would do.
Estonia and Malta have DID, and your predictions have not come true there. Why not?
Thank you Jim for your comment.
The alternative future to your comment on society being internet connected is that by centralising all our data it can become more vulnerable to being leaked and/or hacked.
At least when it is siloed across multiple systems a breach may only leak some of the data rather than all of it.
Why does China bear no relevance, do you think that could not happen here?
Estonia and Malta have DID yes absolutely, but is it possible it has been rolled out across nations who are at different stages of acceptance? Perhaps these nations were more willing, whereas a Globalist plan would need a 'slow boiling of the frog' so to speak for other nations.
Once it is completely in place and accepted everywhere, what is to stop the dial being slowly turned up on restrictions, a death by a thousand cuts?
Thanks again Jim, hope you are having a good evening.
Thanks for replying Aq. There’s no need to “centralise all our data”. All that’s needed is a database keyed on your identity which lists entitlements - can you work in the UK, rent property in the UK, drive a lorry in the UK, and so forth. Then organisations have an app relevant to what they do, e.g. Immigration Control’s app lets them know whether you can work or rent in the UK, and that’s it. It doesn’t tell them what political party you belong to, or what you ate for breakfast.
If that particular list was comprised, it would only matter if the criminals could crack the algorithm that hooks your device key (or a checksum generated from your face), and even then they’re not learning anything of significance about you.
As for mission creep, Parliament would be able to add additional entitlements to that list, and determine which organisations are authorised to check which entitlements. Personally I don’t feel threatened by this at all, but it seems there’s a heck of a lot of Chicken Lickens out there who do!
If it works as a gateway to multiple services offering different areas of information that would be interesting. If say, the Digital ID was a frontend linked to multiple encrypted databases that could do API calls for retrieval but not actually store any information on it. Perhaps if the ID itself contained keys that could be used in real-time?
I am against big Government at heart, and will oppose this at a fundamental level regardless of how it is implemented. But there are better ways than others to actually implement it if it does happen.
We saw yesterday though that AWS went down, taking down credit institutions and large corporations for hours. When the Government contracts a private company to implement a cloud-based solution it will be on AWS, Azure, or GCP, all are vulnerable to going down... The possibility therefore exists for ID to go down whether accidentally, or maliciously, if it is digitised. And it would be vulnerable to attacks on the basis of it existing...
Any information through a Government portal would be vulnerable too. I base this on the salary offered for a cybersecurity professional for the UK Government, £30,000 starting, up to £75K for a senior. This is very low compared to the private sector and as they are not paying the best salaries they will not attract the best talent for building and maintaining secure infrastructure.
There's a lot of risks associated overall even when viewing the issue from a none-philosophical lense. I do not trust it to be done right.
Can we keep the thread to DID please? Again, it is a simple list of IDs and what they’re entitled to, and organisations are granted permission to make specific checks. It has nothing to do with portals.
If the infrastructure gets whammed, hey we fall back to passports/ driving licenses until it’s up again. No panic needed.
I was discussing how it would likely work, we will not agree on DID and it's outcomes but I appreciate nonetheless your insight and it is very welcome.
How convenient, the partition link is blocked. Access denied, so can't sign it!!!!
Have you tried the other one that is now at 1.6M signatures? Not that I think it will do anything but placate us...